It is about being able to view your layout straight away. Currently to change the color of text you have to compile the code.. Tap through to the screeen.. Look at the text and see that color doesn't work so now stop the app.. Change the color.. No, don't like that color either Whereas using Xamarin. GVx said: It isn't about drag and drop. For this you can already use LiveXaml born in mid or LiveReload discontinued but still functional.
Plus new opensource projects are in development. LiveXaml is Dead , in my way i cant see it working upto crest. GiampaoloGabba said: in my way i cant see it working upto crest. You'll need to try to re-translate that to English for the rest of us. It doesn't mean anything. Still doesn't make any sense. How about "LiveReload doesn't work for me"?
Are you saying LiveReload doesn't work for you? At all? Make sure you've firewall is not blocking it, you'll see debug info in the output window if it is. We definitely need a visual designer for Xamarin Forms. We want RAD. We don't want to code the UI by hand in Time for Xamarin to do it, too. Now it is all about hacking tons of code by hand. Just speaking from experience here. It won't. Students that's formal and self learning all want visual tools.
To be fair they can be a good learning aid. Student want to strike out fast and see an immediate result for their bit of work. Its the nature of learning. Experienced developers have been there, done that and have encountered the problems those tools cause and have had to work through all the fixes, problems and pitfalls they cause.
There will always be students. There will always be experienced people. So the debate will continue forever. I think that many developers dont favor to change their code like that.
We now have a toolbox, a property panel, and soon an improved previewer surface. Community wanted LiveReload, in VS we have a previewer that is still a complete basketcase in VS and if you're doing something more complex like a modular Prism app it's useless.
For basic apps it sort of works. Unfortunately we cannot repurpose the existing designers like UWP for Xamarin. Toolbox: Who cares? Nothing really new there. All I've seen is that it is now prepopulated. If someone needs the toolbox pallet to drag-drop a Label to their markdown they need to stop and do some tutorials first. Do we really need an entire panel dedicated to showing that a Label has a given background or text color?
How many hundreds of man-hours in these tools that no experienced developer gives two cents about Who is prioritizing there? Having spent 15 years in WPF where we had a drag-n-drop I can tell you nobody with experience used it.
ANd it was nice and fully working. But the nature of its need to guess your intent always means it creates bloated XAML with every property under the sun, instead of the minimal XAML you actually want. Tends to do absolute positioning for everything instead of layouts that will adjust to size and orientation changes etc. Its something that helps students but experienced professionals simply don't use. Warning: Talking like a grown up.
Some viewers may be offended Watching development history of Xamarin Previewer is like watching Spiderman or Hulk movies: 5 origin stories and nothing beyond yet another reboot.
I mean really what the heck? Has the team really painted themselves into a corner 5 times to the point where it was better to start over than work through it? Or is the team just not that capable; so they keep starting over so they don't have to admit "we can't do it" and loose their jobs? I think that's great in theory and hysterical in reality. They can't make a Preview tool after attempts and people think they have the ability to make something on par with Blend.
I wonder if the team that created Blend are still working at Microsoft. Surely they could help? I do still wonder though why it's so difficult. I on my own created a forms designer more than 20 years ago, that was used successfully for years at the company I created it for.
What a Xamarin. What's the big deal in getting it right? And translate from that. I think the problem right now is that we have too many guys coming from the "web" side of things, running the show, just a personal feeling. My guess is that xamarin is changing over time in such huge way that a visual designer would become obsolete every time almost a new xamarin.
Not any less either. Just X bugs fixed and X new bugs introduced. But to be fair who among us has perfect code first release out? Mac will probably never be on parity with the Windows edition because there is 15 years of head start to contend with. What do you find missing or incomplete? It is not possible to create app package for me on android and uwp on vs The content you requested has been removed. Ask a question. Quick access.
Search related threads. Remove From My Forums. Answered by:. Archived Forums. Forms 0 0. Sign in to vote. User posted Years have past ;- not really but I think this question has been asked many Times' before. Thursday, June 8, PM. User posted Yep, definitely needed. Wednesday, September 5, AM.
User posted There's plenty of opinions about "need" of a visual designer. Friday, June 9, AM. User posted Just dont want to manually type gui Xaml code waste-of-precious-time AND is impossible to know how it will look like on the end devices.
Saturday, July 8, PM. User posted I just need Blend for Xamarin thats all. User posted Typing in markup is the only way to know how it is really going to look.
Monday, July 10, AM. User posted The previewer has been an utter farce, really it has. Billing by the hour.. Monday, July 10, PM. User posted No it isn't.
But it is a WPF tool. Not Xamarin. User posted UWP? User posted Ok I think we have enough comments on this thread now. User posted The two attempts at a Xamarin previewer are pretty worthless and good for nothing behind "My first app" and break for everything that a grown up app uses such as styles, static references, components in other classes IE: Not directly on the ContentPage.
User posted Xamarin pls get help from the Blend guys. The problem is rather free dev tools and no real revenue, no voice You Got to understand. User posted The Xamarin live is not the solution rather a Quick fix unless you manually want to test your app localy on your own device. User posted just read the running code This o:.
Friday, December 8, PM. User posted I'd rather see all the visual drag-n-drop tools go away. User posted Oh man, crawl out of the cave and see the light ;-.
Sunday, December 10, PM. User posted Ok. Monday, December 11, PM. User posted Blend for VS studio will save you a lifetime in coding the UI experience and cope with the rest of the challenges for a modern App on all platforms and form factors. Being close to christmas and all I guess one is entitled to some wishes for the future ;- If you want to "code the UI"? User posted July 10 Ok I think we have enough comments on this thread now. Erm :smile:.
User posted NMackay Really? Isn't that the point of a discussion thread? User posted Enough of the silliness. MS needs real leadership, not management cluelessness on their development products. Thursday, December 14, PM. User posted The problem is you spend as much time stripping all the crap out of automated drag-n-drop XAML as you would if you just hand coded it.
User posted ClintStLaurent said: The problem is you spend as much time stripping all the crap out of automated drag-n-drop XAML as you would if you just hand coded it. Friday, December 15, AM. User posted In Beginners perspective it would be helpful for them to understand properties and syntax of widgets and layouts I agree. Friday, December 15, PM.
User posted Enough. Sunday, December 17, PM. User posted The fact that there is the need for some of us to use a designer doesn't mean we are new bees. Wednesday, December 27, PM. User posted morknic said: The fact that there is the need for some of us to use a designer doesn't mean we are new bees.
User posted LiveXaml if works as expected will for sure save compilation time.. Knowing that there are tools that "could" do the job, coding all that by hand just hurts.
User posted I think that with enough effort and resources, it is possible to develop a "base" designer for creating xaml interfaces without bloat. For me its not a problem at all to code UI in xaml using LiveXaml its really awesome, i cant thank enough the author but, on the other hand, microsoft has the power to create more tools to attract developers of any kind to xamarin forms and make our life easier : The sad thing is that they cant even develop a decent PREVIEWER Thursday, December 28, AM.
Thursday, December 28, PM. User posted No.. Friday, February 9, PM. User posted drag and drop with a visual designer does save a significant amount of time simple fact. User posted As You say "Everyone is different", also devs have different roles within a business. User posted The thing to remember about any visual drag-n-drop tool is that it has to guess at what your intentions are. User posted I hear what your saying ClintStLaurent. User posted Have you looked at the latest Android Studio No really.
User posted I agree. Monday, February 12, PM. User posted I'd settle for a previewer that works, Live preview has limitations of device and dev IDE been on separate networks, the Forms previewer that ships is useless, it can't handle apps that use constructor injection, only basic scenarios work and it seems to have been abandoned. User posted ClintStLaurent said: The thing to remember about any visual drag-n-drop tool is that it has to guess at what your intentions are.
Tuesday, March 20, PM. User posted mdizzy Blend is a good tool. Thursday, March 22, PM. User posted Totally agree. Friday, March 23, AM. User posted stanleybroo said: Totally agree. Push, push :- I dont know why some people are strongly opposing this feature,its a basic feature that every newbie wants. User posted This is what we want for Xamarin Forms ;- a proper design tool that can cope with adaptive layout.
Forms VS Take the time to watch all videos on this page and then decide what tool you think would suit a Xamarin. Tuesday, March 27, AM. User posted Designer is a must have.
Tuesday, April 3, AM. User posted Or, if no designer then give us hot reload. Friday, April 13, AM. User posted So what is the timeline for this? Saturday, April 14, PM.
User posted why cant microsoft can give us something similar to livexaml at least? Thursday, May 3, AM. User posted batmaci Just curious User posted ClintStLaurent I have just recently tested it and it was almost perfect for me.
Thursday, May 3, PM. User posted batmaci Good to know. User posted It gets depressing, when you see the old foxes spamming "we don't need GUI tools!! Saturday, May 12, PM. User posted batmaci said: why cant microsoft can give us something similar to livexaml at least? At least buy livexaml and make for VS as default It seems that Miscrosoft listened to you : They are developing something similar to livexaml.
I'll stick with liveXaml for a long time :. Sunday, May 13, PM. User posted They are developing something similar to livexaml. I'll stick with liveXaml for a long time : This is not even remotely related to a designer like Blend. User posted GiampaoloGabba I tried it first day and immediately failed. Search for "chrome-android-layout" on GitHub. Wednesday, May 23, AM. User posted My concern is the fact I can't add controls from the toolbox.
Tuesday, May 29, PM. User posted Probably help some auto-code there, man, just stay guessing the properties value is a pain. User posted lv There should be auto-complete that should help you with available properties.
Wednesday, May 30, AM. User posted I'm really happy with the layouts designer for Xamarin. Monday, June 18, AM. User posted I'm with Stanley on this one. The current forms previewer is worse than useless. User posted AndrewJE said: The current forms previewer is worse than useless. Monday, June 18, PM. User posted LiveReload should arrive in The Forms Previewer is abandoned from what I can make out.
User posted Hmmm, I didn't know about LiveReload. I'll give it a try. Thanks Clint. User posted Just to get this thread back on track Monday, July 9, PM. User posted aquabay said: Yep, definitely needed. User posted ClintStLaurent said: aquabay said: Yep, definitely needed.
Yeah, and VI is the optimal editor, right? Wednesday, September 5, PM. Not sure what you're referring to there. I'm bowing out of this discussion now since it is no longer an actual discussion.
I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors. I think this pretty much sum it up "deployment time.. User posted Live Reload together with "Instant run" for Xamarin Forms would do for a very long time if implemeted.. User posted Don't know if I have gone crazy, but it seems like the Forms previewer works really good!? Thursday, September 6, PM.
User posted stanleybroo said: Don't know if I have gone crazy, but it seems like the Forms designer works really good!? User posted Forms previewer still does not support constructor injection so it's useless for stuff like Prism apps. User posted NMackay said: Forms previewer still does not support constructor injection so it's useless for stuff like Prism apps.
LiveReload shows more promise, I wish they'd pick just one and fix it :' I thought they had. User posted LiveReload works pretty good, if only could add Live Visual Tree to it so that one gets redirected to the XAML line in question when selecting something in the emulator. User posted stanleybroo I do hope they concentrate their efforts on LiveReload. User posted Yep, the only way to push something fwd is to send detailed feedback through VS.. Friday, September 7, PM.
User posted LiveReload progress is super slow here. Saturday, September 8, PM. User posted NMackay , Xaml Standard is dead. Sunday, September 9, AM. User posted batmaci said: Sometimes you want to do xaml work on the way where no Wifi is possible. Monday, September 10, PM. User posted ClintStLaurent said: batmaci said: Sometimes you want to do xaml work on the way where no Wifi is possible. Wednesday, September 12, PM. User posted batmaci said: is there anyone tried Gorilla player recently?
User posted I read on twitter that people are happier with the latest version. Thursday, October 25, PM. User posted The visual designer is not thing that we really need. Friday, October 26, AM. Saturday, October 27, PM. User posted It isn't about drag and drop. Sunday, October 28, PM. User posted GVx said: It isn't about drag and drop. Hot reload for UI is already here, for livexaml you have to buy a license but its worth it.
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